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- From: dhaire@gate.net (doug haire)
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- Subject: Re: Is 33.6 only available for USR?
- Date: 24 Jan 1996 11:38:25 -0500
- Organization: CyberGate, Inc.
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- Eric Shaw (eric@accessorl.net) wrote:
- : In article <4dqj68$dcak@navajo.gate.net>, dhaire@gate.net (doug haire) wrote:
- :
- : >Anthony Hill (an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
- : >:
- : >: doug haire (dhaire@gate.net) writes:
- : >: > John White (jwhite@fishnet.net) wrote:
- : >: > : better. Many hundreds of hours of my testing with Courier, Sportster
- : >: > : PPI, Supra etc. show this is not the case. My Courier with the latest
- : >: > : 33.6 code only marginally outperforms my PPI LCD. On a connection to a
- : >: > : provider using Courier upgraded to 33k I achieve 28.8 about 80% of the
- : >: > : time. With the LCD I achieve 28.8 50% of the time. Now 33k is really a
- : >: > : big deal isn't it?
- : That's right, *IF* you have a near *PERFECT* line to connect above 28.8,
- : the Courier might perform just slightly better than the PPI or Supra on
- : compressed data. For uncompressed data, a 33.6 connection on the Courier
- : may likely be slower than a 26.4K connection on most other modems. The
- : compression in there is SLOW. If you make a large file of just a few
- : bytes repeated over and over and send it between 2 USR's, you won't get
- : more than 6-7K/s, even if its all one byte repeating, because of either
- : the processing speed of the modem, or because of inefficient algorithms.
- : If the same file is transferred with a PPI or Supra or most other modems,
- : the transfer rate will be limited by your DTE rate, i.e. 115200 limits you
- : to a little above 11K/s, even if you lock the modems at 14.4K.
-
- BS... pure and simple... Here, take a look at this:
-
- {On} 08/05/94 5:49 am 26400 bps ours II 08/05/94
- Z 983040 115200 bps 11327 cps 0 errors 1 1024 d:/download/1x30.tst 17972
- Z 327680 115200 bps 7465 cps 0 errors 0 1024 d:/download/2x10.tst 17972
- Z 196608 115200 bps 4302 cps 0 errors 0 1024 d:/download/3x06.tst 17972
- Z 131072 115200 bps 3173 cps 0 errors 0 1024 d:/download/4x04.tst 17972
- Z 524288 115200 bps 9395 cps 0 errors 0 1024 d:/download/5x16.tst 17972
- Z 306613 115200 bps 3276 cps 0 errors 0 1024 d:/download/telexchg.zip 17972
- {Off} 08/05/94 6:00 am 11:01 791-3625
-
- Please note the first line of the transfers. The file is a large, highly
- compressible file and the port speed is obviously 115200. The other files
- are of varying compressibility.
-
- I get so tired of people who make claims that are without any substance
- whatsoever.
-
- : >I believe there was a change included with the V.34+ upgrade (at least in
- : >the Courier) that improved speeds with the lower symbol rates, allowing a
- : >28.8k connect (stable) at a lower symbol rate. I could be wrong about
- : >this but I don't think so. I do know, subjectively speaking, that my
- : >unstable 28.8k connects became more stable when I went to the V.34+ and
- : >that I started getting more 28.8k connects than I had. Admittedly, this
- : >is subjective since I did not run control tests.
- : From what I've read, this is the case, which would help if your line has
- : limited bandwidth. Haven't actually seen how much this helps - with the
- : lines here, a 3429 or 3200 symbol rate is almost always used, but the SNR
- : usually limits connections below 28.8K.
-
- Limited bandwidth? Would you care to tell me where I might find such a
- problem? Hmmmm? Is it on the SLC's as some have claimed? If so, please
- understand that the data lines at my home are all on an SLC and I get
- 31200 connects routinely. Would it be on copper lines, perhaps? Then
- explain the copper connection at my office which affords me regular 31200
- and the occasional 33600 connect to my home.
-
- Fed up with half-truths. Show me some DATA that supports this garbage you
- are putting out.
-
- : >: > There is more to that improvement than just the connect speed. Look into
- : >: > that Courier sometime and examine how it handles V.42 error correction.
- : Yeah, they went up to 244 byte LAPM packets (a wierd size, not a power of
- : 2), when a lot of Rockwell modems (and others) have long been using 256
- : byte packets, if not 512.
-
- A "lot of Rockwell modems"? Name some. My Supra certainly doesn't have it
- (running the 11/22/95 code). I do know that the Hayes Optima does support
- it. Who else? Zoom? BEC? Boca?
-
- : The v.42 negotiation between the USR and the newer, crappier PPI modems
- : has similar problems to the negotiation between it and the older PPI
- : modems. The new ones use an AT&T chipset instead of a Rockwell one. I
- : guess that must mean that AT&T and Rockwell have the same bugs <g>.
-
- I have no idea what bugs the AT&T chipset has, I do know that the
- Rockwell chipset has a rather nasty little bug. Look at your default
- Rockwell chipset settings. Note that %E0 is the default. Read what that
- does. Then wonder WHY that is the default.
-
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